SCALING THE ENTIRE DRAGON BALL COSMOLOGY

Hello everyone, I will be doing a quick scale scaling of the entire Dragon Ball cosmology. Hopefully, it will clear up some of the misconceptions people have about dragon ball

Read Part 1 https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1f1pgi0/proving_the_infinite_size_of_the_universe_in_db/
and Part 2 https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/1f2hmzi/debunking_bulma_statement_about_the_universe/

before you read this post Read Part 1 and Part 2 to Avoid Any confusion here

First Lets talk about the different Realms in the Dbs cosmology

First The Living World
The Living world Is stated Numerous to be Infinite In size here

https://imgur.com/a/fUoYzpn
"An infinite space of light and darkness where the unknown lives.""
https://imgur.com/a/iZjoC8f
無限に広がる間と銀河ののイルミネーション 何万光年… 何億光年… 光さえもたどりつつけ ぬ星々の彼方には未知の異星人何万光想像を 光年 光 光年 光年
Galactic illuminations and darkness that stretches infinitely, tens of thousands of light years, hundreds of millions of light years, where not even light can reach. Countless aliens and unknown monsters that defy the imagination live beyond the stars"
It's also mentioned in the newest Dragon Ball guide, which contains things from Dragon Ball super
スケールを持つ世界観であることがわかるだろう
https://imgur.com/a/JbISgEM
"This World" shows an infinite expanse, you will discover that the DB world has a worldview with a tremendous scale beyond human comprehension.
Now on to infinite galaxies quotes
On the other hand, the “galaxy” entry in the glossary section from page 49 of the same book instead seems to say there are infinite galaxies (again, from Chouzenshuu 4 but the Daizenshuu 7 original had the same wording)
here
宇宙の中にある、局地的な星々の集まり。星が集まって星雲を作り、さらにいくつかの星雲が集まってできた集まりを銀河という。宇宙の東西南北を担当している4人の界王は、実際にはこの銀河を監視している。東西南北の銀河という区分は、天界の神々や界王たちが、宇宙空間に無限に存在する銀河を統括するために、業務上使い出した単位である。
https://imgur.com/a/OKMEXkD
A localized collection of stars in the universe. A collection of stars that come together to make a nebula, and a collection of nebulae is referred to as a galaxy. The 4 kaioshin, who are in charge of the east, west, north, and south of the universe, actually monitor these galaxies. The division of galaxies into east, west, north, south, is a unit used by kami and kaio of the heavenly realm for business purposes in order to supervise the infinite number of galaxies that exist in outer space.

More scans here and another one here

Heaven
:Heaven is stated to be as wide as the Universe itself https://imgur.com/6Jr26CO
another one here
https://imgur.com/a/heavens-size-Gb57bEd#f7gv9Kt

because the Universe Is Infinite that would Mean Heaven is also Infinite in size

Hell
:We dont know know much about hell
it might be the same size as the Universe if not bigger but we dont have much info so we cant Say for certain

Kaioshin realm
its stated to be 1/10 of the size of the Universe Which would logically Mean its Infinite

Afterlife
:The Afterlife is Stated to Be a dimensionally Transcendental Realm

Evidence for The afterlife

Herms translation :天よりも高く、人間界からは窺い知ることができない次元を超越した天の国神々はこの地から世界のすべてを見おろしている “
ENG: Higher than the sky, a dimensionally transcendental heavenly realm that cannot be perceived from the living world showing how it’s higher d

a translation from a Native Japanese https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fits-about-time-we-discussed-dragon-balls-afterlife-scans-v0-9geewuh6vp1b1.png%3Fwidth%3D580%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9f17fe365c5bccd79e26b6c8b715171a66803de4

translation by deepL

Higher than the heavens, transcending dimensions that cannot be seen from the human world, the gods of the heavenly lands look down on all the world from this place.”

translation from translate to The gods of the heavenly realm, transcending dimensions beyond human comprehension, look down upon all the world from above

more evidence and explanations here

im pretty sure i dont need to explain this further you get the point

Neutral Void/Insignificant 5D

Neutral space
A construct that contains 4d spacetimes that don't touch, usually exist within a construct Orthogonally Higher. Meaning it can imbed lower dimensional structures. Also seen many times the neutral space is shown that these 4d spacetimes are but a tiny part of the entire neutral space. 4d structures being seen as insignificant compared to the neutral zone, even in a very large scope of the neutral zone, the macrocosms are not visible at all. Spacetime continuums can not be in the same physical space parallel to each other, never meeting, without being across a 5-D plane. As seen here, these spacetimes are parallel to each other, existing in the same physical space, yet never able to interact with/or meet each other, which again, wouldn't be possible unless existing across a 5-D plane. So no matter how far they expand, or move in any direction, they can't come into contact, and it should be like that anyway since the are separate spacetimes.

Spatial Dimensions/Parallelism
As per ultima's words here, "For two line segments to be parallel, you'd have to set it so they wouldn't touch regardless of how far they are extended, which wouldn't be possible if they stood side-by-side in 1-D space as in here, meaning you would need them to be displaced over a plane. Same thing happens with planes: For them to be parallel, they shouldn't ever be able to meet, so you'd need them to be displaced over 3-D space. Generalizing that to the 4-D case, spacetimes would obviously have to be displaced over a 5-D region (This works by definition, too: If they're different spacetime continuums then obviously they can't share the same space, in the way 3-D objects exist around us for instance)".
And this is already accepted in dragon ball that the 12 universe are parallel to each other and actually come in pairs as explained by whis. And obviously as seen in the neutral space, these macrocosms will never ever touch each other, so that means the universes must be displaced over a 5-D plane. 3 spatial + 1 temporal macrocosms, then the neutral space would have an extra coordinate axis for holding these macrocosms, which in totality would means the cosmology is composed of 4 spatial + 1 temporal, since the universes are contained in this physical space, yet never meeting. This would make the entire timeline 5-D for holding the neutral space. this is also supported by our own tiering system herewhich directly fits the notion of the neutral space.
As seen here these spacetimes are parallel to each other, existing in the same physical space, yet never able to interact with/or meet each other, which again, wouldn't be possible unless existing across a 5-D plane. And just to make it even more clear, here is another picture proving they are pairs, and parallel to each other,Here And mind you, each macrocosm as of now is accepted as having 6 or 7 universal spacetime continuums, (2-C). in Vsbw So yes it would be another dimension, and in this case, a higher dimension.

What is the Dimension of Swirling Lights?

In Dragon Ball Super: Broly, the clash between Gogeta and Broly Destroyed reality and forced the pair into a Dimension of Strange Swirling Lights.

This setting was described in the Broly Anime Comic as super-dimensional several different times. The kanji used here refers to higher dimensional spaces (spaces with extra dimensional axes).

What's the deal with that one interview regarding the Dimension of Swirling Lights?

The production team for the Broly movie was interviewed on the film's special effects under an article from the official Dragon Ball Website. Here, it was declared that the team's purpose was to create super-dimensional images with CGI technology.

It was stated that under the process of CGI, you'd normally use a reference image of a setting like the wilderness or sea to produce 3-dimensional imagery. This time however, they would model a space based on nothing that exists in real life as if it were a different dimension. The kanji used for "different dimension" in the article was 異空間, which directly means "different space" and seems to refer to an outside space with different laws. One of the main interpretations of [異空間] refers to higher dimensional spaces, though we can't make conclusions from that alone.

Later on however, they said that to portray this space in a 3-D format, they expressed different dimensions using mathematical formulas as a model. Different dimension(s) [異次元] in the context of science and sci-fi refers to worlds with dimensions distinct/different from the usual; an idea that encompasses both a fantasy concept of alternate worlds and mathematical concepts of dimensions to denote a world that occupies a higher dimension.

Saying that CGI images are 'based on math' means nothing on its own since the whole process of animation uses linear algebra, calculus, physics, et cetera. The difference with this situation is that this space wasn't based on mathematics necessarily, it was mathematics. They said that rather than modeling with a 3-dimensional shape exposed to color/size adjustment settings, they used nothing but purely calculated mathematical formulas as models in and of themselves to generate these dimensions which are equivalent to a mathematical expression that human viewers couldn't comprehend.

I've also looked into the concept of "super-dimensional imagery" slightly. This old computer science research article mentions such an idea under the context of representing 3-dimensional ground features effectively under the format of 2-dimensional imaging space. This other article mentions the concept under the context of super-dimensional reconstruction, which is where they would reconstruct the 3-D structure of a stationary porous material (things like paper, cardboard, sponges, etc.) from a 2-dimensional reference image. It seems the idea of "super-dimensional imagery" consistently indicates representing something beyond the dimensional boundaries of imaging software in question, and of course, the team's goal was to represent super-dimensional imagery under 3-D imaging space. We don't need to think too hard, this is where occam's razor comes in handy.

I feel like people form the wrong conclusions from the article, so let's refer back to these 4 scans I posted above in particular. Our takeaways are very simple.

1. Standard modeling is explicitly a 3-dimensional process.
2. They couldn't create this 3-dimensional image using said process.
3. Instead, they used a different modeling technique involving mathematics that were used to create an incomprehensible space.
4. Their result was a super-dimensional image.

It all circles back to the central question: “what was different about this space that warranted its status as super-dimensional imagery?"Super-dimensional means higher dimensional space, super-dimensional imagery means imagery meant to depict something higher dimensional than its imaging space, and the team said multiple times that what made this space different from most CGI images is that it could not be constructed through standard 3-dimensional modeling and required an additional, intermediate process altogether.

Let's bring it all together now. They stated the Dimension of Swirling Lights couldn't be constructed with standard 3-D modeling, so they had to generate its environment by expressing the dimension(s) as mathematical formulas that you wouldn't expect humans to comprehend. This loaded statement seems to carry heavy connotations as far as higher mathematical dimensions go. For instance, with tesseracts (which represent higher dimensional space), their volume is based on mathematical formulas, humans can't generally comprehend such expressions, and modeling them visually is considered the equivalent of modeling abstruse mathematics in the third dimension. Not to mention, the first research link I provided explained "super-dimensional imagery" as something 3-dimensional portrayed in 2-dimensional imaging space while the second one explained "super-dimensional reconstruction" as creating 3-dimensional structures from 2-dimensional reference images: thus our takeaway is that the dimensions from the Broly movie were higher dimensional spaces that the movie production staff aimed to portray in the third dimension using CGI.

Where is the Dimension of Swirling Lights located?

It was stated that this dimension was reached by distorting space-time, breaching the limits of the universe, tearing dimensional walls apart, then "disintegrating" the dimension to leave it. Their power was stated to be too much for the universe to handle. In Dragon Ball, "the universe" refers to the living world more often than the macrocosm as a whole. It would definitely make more sense if the Dimension of Swirling Lights encompassed the living world [or at bare minimum, is an adjacent space-time] since breaking the living world's space-time fabric leads directly to it and back from it. Therefore, if the Dimension of Swirling Lights were a higher dimensional space, it would be most reasonable to say it directly transcends the living world as opposed to the macrocosm, neutral zone, timeline, etc.

Where would this scale to?

General relativity describes space-time as a self-contained model of reality consisting of 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension. However, since we know the Dimension of Swirling Lights was intended to be a higher dimensional space beyond the living world, this would make the macrocosm consist of at least 4 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time: making universe 7 likely 5-D.

MANY WOLRD INTERPRETATIONS

https://imgur.com/a/c7pn3J8

ENGLISH TRANSLATION
The future of the world was saved because Goku and Gohan defeated Cell, but in the future in which Trunks lived, it is he who defeats Cell. In other words, the fact that Goku was cured of the fatal disease created at least two different futures, just as there is a future in which Trunks is killed by Cell. A small detail altered in the past can create countless parallel worlds.

Another Evidence

https://imgur.com/a/hO06naf

another one here

https://imgur.com/a/tLEWtBa

Launched in Japan in 2003 by Shueisha and in Brazil by Conrad in 2005, the Dragon Ball Z Encyclopedia

By the way, Shin himself has a time ring, which further confirms that there are other parallel worlds in Universe 7

It is said that all Kaioshins have their own rings, refuting the fact that there are only 5 timelines, but there are several other parallel worlds in the 12 Universes.

The website itself mentions that Kaioshin are capable of going to parallel worlds in their Universes

https://en.dragon-ball-official.com/news/01_1877.html
He kills his former master, Supreme Kai Gowasu, and steals his Ring of Time, a tool that allows the Supreme Kais to travel between parallel timelines. He discovers Future Trunks' timeline where the Supreme Kai and God of Destruction had already passed away and heads there to destroy it, thereby becoming its one and only god.

https://imgur.com/a/PuGtCtf
Well… For those who don't know, there is a room full of time rings only in Universe 10

https://imgur.com/a/w2cZaE1
Shin mentions that he has traveled to several parallel worlds, multiple times, which means that it was not just 5 parallel worlds, but several of them.

Those time rings are only for Universe 10, where he travels through the future to their respective Universes

Yes, there is solid evidence that the work works with MWI, the website itself mentions it, talking about time travel

Parallel Worlds and Time Paradoxes

https://en.dragon-ball-official.com/news/01_708.html

ow that we've all hopefully got at least a vague understanding of how time machines could work, I decided to ask about parallel worlds and time paradoxes. Time paradoxes occur when some kind of contradiction or loop is created due to your travels to and from the past and future, and in order to enable time travel, we'd have to find a way to resolve them.Even within Dragon Ball, Trunks altered his universe's history slightly by going back to the past to discover the Androids' weakness. It's this process that gives rise to multiple futures, i.e., parallel worlds.

https://imgur.com/a/XaCyyva

Being a crime does not guarantee you to refute MWI, especially because parallel worlds are created by smaller things, with thousands of them existing through simple time travel.

Furthermore, in the anime itself it is shown that there are other parallel worlds besides those mentioned in Universe 10

https://imgur.com/a/iVj86tS#LtK9rLN

Not only that, but the following is said on the official Dragon Ball website

https://en.dragon-ball-official.com/news/01_2350.html

Three years pass, and Androids 19 and 20 attack South City. Once again Trunks returns from the future, but the Androids that attacked South City are not the Androids that Trunks knows. One small change in history can cause many possible futures, so it seems that the past that Trunks arrived in was not the past he knew.

Extra Information
Alternate Dimensions
* It’s shown to be Impossible to travel to the Afterlifewithout special methods. Also, travel to the Kaioshin realm is not possible Without TeleportationThe Universe/Universe 7 and Afterlife are stated to be Seperated from space and timeUses Jiku which refers to 4D Space-Time). The 2 realms are also infinite in size qualifying too.
* The Sugoroku Space is a space
* between The afterlife and the living world
* Also, although it doesn’t prove separation of space-times alone different time flow can be supporting evidence.
* The RoSaT is stated to have a Different Time dimension
* comparitive to realms like the Kaioshin Realm and Living World, which means their spatio-temporal separation involves distinct time dimensions.
* There is a room inside the Living World that created space and timeconfirming that it’s serviced by its own time dimension

Counter Arguments
“Heaven is small because Goku Said so”

Goku had already seen Heaven and called it huge, after which King Kai pointed out they were arriving at the Grand Kaio’s world, which Goku had called a small planet as it was the actual “small planet” Goku was referencing here.

“Universe has an Edge and a Center”
Read Part 2 Of my Post here

CONCLUSION: DBS cosmology is many times bigger than most people think